Copying- its role in engineering product development
“Copying”- its
role in engineering product development.
Prof. Prodyut Das.
Whilst teaching “Synthesis of Design” I used to
programme several lectures in the way an engineering product could be designed
starting with direct or “Chinese” copying and ending with Barnes Wallis’s design-actually
a near invention- of the Dam Busting bombs which I labeled as “Design by
Genius”.
Design by copying is a misunderstood method. For
India, with design capabilities lagging due to many reason including the very
restrictive Industrial Policy Resolution of 1956 which depressed demands for
Engineering, production and quality control skills for decades, product design
by copying is of special interest. Given below is a summary of the lecture with
examples suitably amended to keep in tune with the interests of this blog. It
is expected that the interested will look up the Net for further details on the
examples cited.
Perhaps because of its
association with copying in school examinations “copying” as a technique in
engineering product development is subject to a certain amount of derision and
unease. There can be no doubt that an originator has a moral right to enjoying
the fruits of his efforts but the questions of morality as regards copying in
Industry is also not clear cut and questions will remain. To understand the
question of morality and ethics we must first examine what are the types
of copying and what is involved in
copyng.
Types of copying
“Chinese” Copy;
I have no idea why this is
called Chinese copy but it implies a perfect copy with an insinuation of not
understanding or caring what is involved. It was well known that Chinese
artisans were incredibly clever and could copy overnight any piece of
furniture, shoes or clothing given to them without bothering at all about the
function or the end use of the object. Perhaps
that is the origin but I will include here a story. It appears that when the
first Bleriot monoplane arrived at Beijing somewhere in the 1910s the pilots
were surprised next morning to find an Bleriot monoplane parked next to their
own original. Not only was it in perfect detail but even the Anzani radial
engine had been copied. When the propeller was rotated by hand the “engine”
even made a buzzing noise. The story goes that the ingenious Chinese workmen
had filled the engine replica with bees. I doubt if the story is true being
originated in Colonial times but it illustrates the way Copying is viewed. In India this type of copying is popularly and
more politely known as “ditto copying”.
Though the Chinese – along
with the Japanese -got a bad name for copying it was the Soviets who actually
put it to great use in producing a much needed product in the shortest possible
time which is the great utility of
“copying”. The following two examples will be illustrative:
Just before the Second World
War at the time of the Molotov Ribbentrop Non Aggression Pact the German visiting delegation had presented
some examples of the Fiesler “Storch” aircraft to the Soviet Leadership. The
Storch had remarkable STOL and slow flying capabilities approaching that of a
helicopter and was extremely useful as a army liaison aircraft. Oleg Konstantin
Antonov, then a young Designer with some experience in designing sports gliders
(OKA-1,-3, Standart, Leningrad etc) was
instructed by the Supreme Soviet to produce a “Chinese” copy of the aircraft. He
did so in a fairly short time and probably took the “Chinese” copy part a bit
too seriously because he named his first powered aircraft “Aist” which in
Russian means a “Storch” or “Stork”. I
don’t blame him. Stalin was a ruthless boss if you disobeyed. Unfortunately
for the then young Oleg Antonov his powered aircraft was destroyed before its
first flight when the city of Kiev was overrun by the Germans in July 1941
during the invasion.
It was the Soviets again who
“Chinese copied” on a much more impressive scale. The Russians had been working
on the atom bomb during the War and needed a carrier for the weapon without
which the thing was useless. By good fortune (for the Soviets!) or who knows
what three examples of the B 29 landed in the Soviet Union and ally or no ally,
these aircraft were promptly impounded and turned over for copying. The leading
Soviet OKB for large aircraft, Andrei Tupolev’s, was tasked and by an
incredible effort the Soviet’s had examined the aircraft and produced the
design suitable for mass production in a period of 36 months!
The Soviets had the key
technologies – Large airframe for long range aircraft designs, pressurization,
remote control of the weapons barbettes etc which made the B 29 such a
formidable aircraft. Given adequate time
the Soviet Industry could have come up with a suitable original answer. What
copying gave to the programme was “Surefootedness”( which our programmes seem
to badly lack)and importantly cut down
time required for certification. In a country like India Certification is a
process more painful than design because of the organizations working in
“silos” and the general Bureaucratic approach.
Even in this copying the
Soviets had difficulty and therefore initially bypassed critical features.
Externally though the TU 4 looked very much like the B 29 it lacked the
integral fuel tank ( which gave the B 29 its ( then) phenomenal range and the
connecting tunnel between the forward and the aft pressurized cabins. It was
also about 5% heavier and 10% more powerful than the original.
The Soviets needed something in a hurry and by
copying they got to first base within the shortest time. The TU 4 was soon to
be rendered obsolete by the advent of Jet propulsion; Copying made it relevant
for that
short period when it played an invaluable role in setting up SOPs for the
Soviet Dalnayia Aviatsya which was their equivalent or the Strategic Air
Command. It will be noted however that the Tupolev “copied” over many features
of the B 29 such as the remote gun barbettes, the nose position design for
example into their first and second generation jet Bombers.
A second form of “copying“ is
when aggregates are combined to create a new product. The Rockwell /DASA 31
ultra maneuverable fighter tested during the ‘nineties and no doubt awaiting
its turn for the market is a case to the point. Much of the aircraft is a
“cobbling” ( i.e. non optimized-pl.note!) together aggregates of six or seven
“in service” aircraft. The “copying” in
this design –to produce an experimental “data generator” in the shortest
possible time can be applied to our own LCA /MRCA programme. Of interest to
those following the LCA programme will be the previous post in this blog where
it is proposed to mate the wing of the LCA with a fuselage and empennage of the
MiG 27. Many of the concessions of the LCA mk1- shortage of “real estate”, gun
firing, Pilot and systems protection, undercarriage etc indicate a redesign of
the fuselage. Using the firm and proven base of a MIg 27 fuselage and the LCA
wing has a greater certainty of meeting the Mk2 requirement. Such a project
will entail hard work but a back up will have the common sense attribute being
available by 2023.. Unfortunately such alternative studies have always been
carefully stymied by “It’s too late, the LCA is just around the corner” lobby
for decades and now we are staring at compulsory imports or a rundown of our
own air strength in the light fighter.
Other forms of copying
Apart from direct copying
which is fairly rare- there are always some
deviations enforced by circumstances, there are many subtle gradations and
these are outlined below:
Copying of features:
When Antonov designed his
first original design powered aircraft , the remarkable AN2 of which 20,000 had
been produced before the Soviet Union collapsed he transferred many of the
features of the Fieseler Storch – the slotted flap and slats and the remarkable
“bug eye” cockpit glazing feature of the Storch which enabled the pilot to look
directly below the aircraft - a most useful feature in a Rural economy aircraft
operating out of rough isolated airstrips. The slots and slats allowed the AN2
to fly as slow as 45 kts. in complete control and operate from very small
strips. It is my opinion that Antonov also copied the double door of the AN2
from the Dakota whose Cargo/Passenger door he would have been familiar with
from the license built Lisunov 2 aircraft.
Copying of engineering design practices
The Vespa scooter could only
have been designed by an aeronautical engineer or someone steeped in
Aeronautical Engineering practice. The way the wheel are mounted, the cowling,
cooling and concealment of the engine, the levered suspension and indeed every
little thing that makes a scooter engineering wise so different from a
motorcycle is because the designer Corradino D’Ascania “scaled down” well
tested aeronautical engineering practice and applied them to two wheeler
engineering. Indeed the “cultural” differences were so strong many great
motorcycle engineering companies tried and failed to make a successful scooter
and even Honda- one of the very few great motorcycle companies that succeeded
in making a great scooter- will betray their motorcycle heritage in their front
wheel suspension! Indeed this fascinating clash of cultures and the design of a
product by “conformal mapping” of technology practice was the subject of one of
the lectures.
Copying of design philosophies
The standard German main
battle tank in 1941 was the Kpf.Pz.W IV. It had small road wheel, a short gun
and a modest 300 hp petrol engine and was the master of all the tanks that it
had hitherto faced. It was however completely out classed when it met the
Soviet T 34 with its well sloped armour, long barreled (therefore high
velocity!) 75 mm gun with overhang which
the Western Designers were remarkably unsure of copying, almost double the
engine power and large diameter “Christie “suspension road wheels. Though the
Germans contained the T 34 threat with superior experience and training they
were so shocked that some of their leading Panzer Generals even advocated the
“Chinese” copying of the T 34. As so often happens in such cases it was not
possible to make a “Chinese” copy- there was not enough supplies of aluminium
required for the D2 -12 engine crankcase for example but the Germans absorbed
the “philosophy” of sloped armour, long barreled gun,diesel engines and broad
tracks which gave the T 34 its excellent mobility. The Panther was not a copy
of the T 34 yet it accepted totally the “philosophy” of the Soviet tank
Copying of an inspiration
The last form of copying is
when one uses an idea as an inspiration. No one will argue that the Supermarine
Spitfire was the most beautiful fighter ever produced ( to which I would add
the Hawker Hunter as the most beautiful of the Jets!) . It had a very
distinctive elliptical wings and empennage. Though much was made at that time of
the supposed efficiency of the elliptical shape this was not quite true as near
the tip the wing was operating at far too low a Reynolds number and therefore
suboptimal. Elliptical wings were difficult
to tool up and produce. It was however undeniably beautiful. It has been never
officially acknowledged that it is possible that Reginald Mitchell was inspired
by the beautiful elliptical wings of the Heinkel He 70 Blitz designed by the
Gunther Brothers. Rolls Royce had imported an example of the He 70 Blitz as a test
bed and no doubt Reginald Mitchell would have been very familiar with the aircraft.
I find it amusing that the legendary
British fighter had a shape inspired by an aircraft that was designed by a nation
that was to give the British a lot of trouble.
I cannot resist ending this
section on copying with an example where the British were too willing to copy an
Indian Military weapon.
Tipu Sultan of Mysore had
developed the Rocket as an effective bombardment weapon and had organized
several rocket brigades. His innovation was the use of a metal casing for the
rocket which allowed much greater combustion pressures and thus more thrust and
range and kinetic energy. The Rockets used by Tipu caused great alarm to the
British. Indeed after the First Mysore War one of the British Commanders was so
distraught with the poor showing against Tipu that he attempted to commit
suicide. He must have been singularly inept because he failed in that also! After
Tipu death and defeat in 1799 examples of Tipu’s Rockets were shipped to
England where they were copied, finally by William Congreve, who used sheet
metal to form the powder chamber. Sheet Metal reduced chamber weight, improved
strength – due to rolling effect which in turn allowed higher chamber pressures
and therefore performance and reduced cost. There is an example of Tipu’s
rocket in the British Museum. To the modern eye it looks somewhat forlorn and
tawdry and it is bemusing that about two hundred and thirty years ago this was “Advanced
Technology” which Britain was glad to copy. Congreve improved the design
considerably and his Rockets served in the British Regiments – hence the name
Fusiliers to many British Regiments- for about fifty years until out moded by
the Breech loading field gun.
The Tasks in Copying
Having identified the various
degrees of Copying we return to put into perspective the achievements of the
Tupolev Design Bureau even in copying. We should discuss what are the tasks
involved in copying and it will be fairly clear how much acumen and information
is needed to make a successful copy.
Let us consider what is the
information needed to complete the drawing of even a fairly simple component in
the Aerospace Industry.
1, the shape of the part
involving several dimensions.
2. Fit, finish tolerance.
3.The chemical and physical
characteristics of the material
4. The location of the part
in the aggregate
5. The manufacturing methods
to achieve the required levels of 2 above.
6. The heat treatment
7. The surface
treatment/plating etc.
9. The quality control
parameters
9. The location and marking
of the part number.
10. Storage, packing and disposal instructions.
To remember is that any non-attainability in any of the major factors-the manufacturing methods, scale of
production etc may significantly affect the degree or indeed the advisability of
copying possible.
The Engineering Knowledge required to copy.
The availability of the
component can help deciding the first four items of the above list but one can
go surprisingly wrong on the rest of the list and it is required to tread with
caution. There is rarely an universal “best” product or configuration and one
can end up copying something that is not the “best” for one’s own operating
environment or going astray on some detail which causes problems in service.
The following examples are illustrative.
The braking of a railway
train is more complex than one usually imagines. One of the problems is that
the braking effort of the locomotive must be matched by the braking effort of
the train. If, for example, the train is over braked with respect to the
locomotive then train parting will occur. On the Indian Railways of forty years
ago the locomotive was air braked at 3.5 atmospheres whilst the wagons were
braked at minimum 22 inches vacuum. A mechanical device, the Westinghouse VA 1
B servo valve, was used to overcome the problem of proportional braking. By a system
of diaphragms and springs the Locomotive air brake pressure and the Wagons
vacuum brake pressure were sensed and normally held in equilibrium. Any change
in Locomotive Brake pipe pressure would cause proportionate change in the
Wagon’s Vaccum brake pipe pressure and hence proportion the applied brake
effort. At the heart of this was a very closely finished spool valve,
consisting of a very close tolerance mirror finish spool sliding in a similarly
finished tube which had apertures to take the two brake pressures. Since this
had to be very sensitive it was not possible to use the standard methods such as “o” rings, to achieve the required
sealing between the two different pressure. Reliance was placed on extremely
close tolerances and very high hardness and hence the finish to achieve the
sealing and sensitivity. It was here that the problem was hidden.
The customer , the Indian
Railways , had been using unlicensed locally manufacture “Chinese copies” of
the VA1B valves and complained that whilst the valves worked perfectly during
acceptance tests they began to stick or jam after several months of service
causing erratic application of brakes which can be very disturbing with three
thousand ton trailing load behind the locomotive. You can imagine the effects
of the erratic and uncontrolled kinetic energy!
Analysis showed that the
spool and the cage had been hardened to 65 Rc of the original sample to reduce
the friction, wear and the mirror finish required. The unlicensed vendor had
achieved the hardness using normal hardening procedures on high carbon steel.
He had achieved the results upfront but it is well known that high temperature
hardening involves quenching which causes locked in stresses. In addition
Martensitic grain growth is present. Over time as the locked in stresses were
released and martensitic grain growth occurred the very fine tolerances were
disturbed causing the spool to stick in the sleeve.
The solution was in lowering
the locked in stresses. One could have used two stage martempering with stepped
quenching followed by gradual cooling but in this case given the very fine
clearances it would be a doubtful solution as given the very tight tolerance no
distortion due to release of stresses was allowable.
The technically correct
solution was to go in for a low temperature hardening process such as Nitriding
where the object is heated to only 500 degrees centigrade (as opposed to 800
plus degrees in Martensitic hardening) and then exposed to a stream of nascent
nitrogen to form a layer of iron nitride Fe3N. Being a low temperature
process with none of the quenching stresses occured and the nitrided valves
whilst achieving the required Rc 65 did not distort in service.
Even getting the heat
treatment right is not enough.There is a further “trap” Nitriding is also used
for corrosion resistance. Two British Standard nitriding steels then available
in India e.g. EN 42 for corrosion protection and En 42B for both hardening and corrosion
resistance. The latter has a small amount of aluminum and the Engineer has to
specify En 42B and not En 42A. The aluminum helps to lock the hard plates of Fe3N
together to get the required hardness. You are advised to check up on the Net
for the details of the exact mechanism of hardening by nitriding but the point
I wish to make is the detail one has to go into and the knowledge required to
make a successful “Chinese” copy! The Hindustani aphorism “Nakal key liye Akkal Chhaiyey”- you need intelligence to copy- is no
old wives tale!
The perils of “shallow” copying
One of the problems for
someone making an exact copy or even basing on an existing design is that he
often faces the problem of substituting a material the original has used.. For
example the MiG 21s wing spar uses a GOST 35XГСА material. An exact Indian substitute will not be
available. There will be occasions when the import will not be possible. The
danger of an arbitrary choice can be
illustrated with the following example.
An oil bath air cleaner for a
fairly large automotive diesel engine (25 hp/cyl) had a swirl vane type
centrifuge pre-cleaner to get rid of the dirt and small stones. The swirl vanes
are topped by a dome shaped cap
which acted as the plenum chamber for the
down draft tube. Producing the hemispherical cap required Extra Deep Drawing (EDD)
steel which was not readily available in India of the 80s. An unthinking change
was made to a shallower inverted “frying pan” head dome which seemed to solve
the production problem without any
side effects. Some more similar changes including the angle of the outlet pipe were
made to ease the problem of materials supply and assembly. It was later found
that the modifications were increasing the engine BHP loss of 1.3 BHP. Considering
that peak velocities within the aircleaner were reacing Mach 0.3 this was not
surprising. Restoration of the original feature, using additional annealing processes
in between stages of deep drawing to overcome the material problems, resulted in
the horse power loss coming down to 0.8 BHP.
Automotive air cleaners,
automotive engines and plastic blown film plants have a surprising amount of
internal aerodynamics in them. If this is not taken into consideration one can
make a change to solve one problem only to end up with a problem in another
area.
Using a wrong model
There is also always the
danger that one may choose a wrong example to copy. For example in the VA1B case cited above it would be “wrong” to
copy the design today as today the same function can be realized by using
pressure transducers, micro processors and electronics for faster and more
reliable braking.
There was also the case about
three decades ago of an Indian Establishment that attempted to design and build
an all composite club training aircraft. It was ,in my view somewhat
unfortunate that the “inspiration” ( the Indian group did NOT “Chinese” copy)
for the design was a very successful German design. The German company had long
experience in “glass” sailplane design and so their club trainer was largely
based on the sailplane with the addition of a power source. That made good
common sense to the German team. Much of the subsequent difficulties faced by
the copier lay in the fact that the “inspiration” had a fairly high aspect
ratio wing which is always heavier for a given area and stressing level than a
lower aspect ratio wing. Not unexpectedly the Indian aircraft came out much
heavier than allowed for because the Indian team was much less experience d in
glass fibre. Indeed the unkind joke at that time was that the aircraft could
either carry the pilot or the fuel but not both! Matters were not helped by the
copying team’s failure to absorb and carefully copy the very good finish, fit
and tolerances and general lines of the “inspiration”. The net result was
though the Indian design was well meant and had potential it never achieved it.
What should the Indian team
done? The first thing was to measure the size of one’s cloth before cutting the
coat! Their design experience was just one home built composite aircraft of an
American design. They knew how to build and certificate a composite aircraft.
They should have taken a much more structurally conventional aircraft- I would
go for a junk airframe of the stubby ( i.e. structurally rigid!) Victa
Airtourer or even at a pinch even the HPT 32 airframe which was then in
production as a basis. The relatively low aspect ratio wing would have been
easier and lighter to stress and fabricate. This would have reduced the design
load to just getting the composite airframe klim
bim –as the Prussians used to say-without having to worry about a hundred
other things like systems design, control runs, aerodynamics etc and the team
would be free to the real possibilities of composites- refining the form to an
extent not permitted by metal fabrication. Note the experienced Russian copying
the Tu 4 set self limits and abandoned a lot of areas in getting the product
into service.
I have discussed to problems
from actual experience in the Indian Industry to caution that copying is full of hidden mines and one has to
literally get in to the original designer’s shoes ( and brains!) to decide what
to copy and what to reject or modify.
As is well known the British
for reasons best known to the then Labour Government sold the design rights of
what was then the most powerful jet engine in the world The Rolls Royce Nene to
the Soviet Union. The fact that the British Establishment had more than its
fair share of Communists may have been a factor. An incredulous Joseph Stalin
jumped at the offer and mass produced the Nene as the Klimov VK 1 and the VK1A
along with the RR Derwent to power the first generation Soviet jet fighters including
the famous – and world class- MiG 15,MiG 17 F, Ilyushin 28 and the lesser known
Lavochkin 15. The design then drifted to China where the produced another 18,
000 of them. One of these engines was examined by the original designer , Sir
Stanley Hooker, who convulsed his Chinese hosts by remarking “ They did a good
job of copying – they even copied my mistakes.” Since we are discussing
“copying” and its applicability I will add that Klimov was of course a piston
engine man who, starting with the 860-960 hp Hispano Suiza HS 12Y XX engine
first redesigned to make it easier to mass produce and then by careful
improvements to detail boosted it to 1250 hp from the same basic engine albeit
at some cost to engine life but the Soviets were quite happy with a life of 100
hrs. as the average combat life of the aircraft was well below that.
Modern aids to copying
When Tupolev copied the
Boeing B 29 he probably had to use wooden patterns to generate the external
contours and relied on gravimetric analysis to find the comnposition of the
various alloys used. There was the possibility that one would be missing out an
element- for example the aluminum in the above EN 42B example- if you did not
know what to look for. These methods can be used even today. Over the past
eighty years there are hosts of equipment mainly simple which can expedite the
speed at which one can copy. Laser scanner s can generate envelope which would
otherwise take weeks to generate, portable spark spectrographs can give in situ
indications of the constituents if not the actual compositions, thickness
indicators can give the gauges of materials used and three D computerized 3
axis Coordinates measuring machines can reduce the work of days to hours. The
data generated may not be perfect but it is more than adequate to allow a
skilled designer to “see” his way through the fog. Even with all the data a
certain amount of uncertainity will exist and it is here that the Chief
Designer ‘s experience and judgment will be invaluable. Assuming that the B 29
had a hundred thousand parts it is almost certain that Andrei Tupolev would
have used his vast experience to “truncate” certain areas of copying and focus
where copying was simply not possible. The Shvetsov Ash73TK 1790 kW engines
available to Tupolev were heavier and more powerful than the B 29’s1641 kW
Wright Cyclone R 3350-23 engines and
that would mean that the stresses on the wings, the aerodynamics of the cowling
,the problem of engine cooling etc would
require careful rechecking if not actual re-design. Yet at the end I terms of national interests
it was supremely worthwhile.
The Morality of Copying
The question of morality in
copying is very complex and is centred around the of making money which is at
the core of all engineering. An originator has a moral right to make reasonable
profits from his enterprise. It is here that the problem becomes incoherent
because the questions centre around what are reasonable profits and for how
long, what is the enforceability as well as when does the “morality” angle kick
in. A country lie India can claim that because e of the long period of
Colonization when it was systematically de-industrialized it should be re-
compensated by being allowed to copy! There is also the moral debate going on; Indian Drug Companies are accused of
“copying” western Drugs and providing- at a profit let it be said –of
exorbitantly expensive – to the African patients at least- drugs which are
literally matter of life and death.. What is the moral angle to that?
It is beyond my expertise to
take a stand but if one remembers that even to copy competitively one has to
reach a certain enviable level of
competence. The copier is best served by making sufficient changes so as to
make it difficult to claim infringements which as we have seen is almost
inevitable. As long as both parties approach the problem reasonably and
recognize the skills involved and be it said the inevitability of being copied
the solution would lie in a reasonable dialogue.
The potency of copying
The potency of copying in its
various forms is exemplified by the rise of China as a major weapons exporter given the fact that
they never had a weapons Industry till 1949. By 1965 they were exporting
“Chinese copies “ of the PPSHG automatic rifles, MiG 19 ( as the F6) and the
T54 ( as the T 59). Under Deng Xiao Ping’s “Four Modernizations” the Chinese
progressed up the various types of copying to produce a complete range of weaponry-
from Infantry small arms to Aircraft Carriers- which belittles our efforts so
far. To deride the quality and shortcomings of these weapons and to compare
them with western equivalents is to make two mistakes. Firstly this attitude
accepts that the western specifications are universally relevant. The second
oversight is that the Weapons have a political purpose. The Chinese Weapons
,whatever their alleged shortcomings, have made it impossible for the West to impose another Opium War or a burning of
their Imperial Summer Palace- events which to the Chinese is as mortifying as
our defeat in the 1962 war.
Given our own political
aspirations we must develop our own view on copying and integrate it into our
own strategic programmes. With 70% of the weaponery imported, the continuing
shortfalls in essential stores indicate that we have probably reached the
limits of the present arrangements in fiscal terms at least. The quoted price
of imported weaponry has no basis of reasonable profits. Derived or copied
Indian designs made in India by efficient production management is the only way
we can attain the desired levels of meeting requirement. By increasingly
creative c opying the Chinese have developed a complete range of weapons and it
is possible that their procurement budget
is not too much bigger than our procurement budgets. We need to take an
organized look at the possibilities of copying.
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Wow, this piece was excellent! I think there is a mindset problem when it comes to copying in India. Its easy to see the benefits of copying when you look at how efficiently ISRO and Indian naval design Bureaus have copied, or taken inspiration from existing Russian, French or American products compared to the complete inefficiency and slow state of PSU companies making weapons for the IAF and Army who tend to reinvent the wheel. Also let us not forget how India missed a huge opportunity after the collapse of the Soviet Union to bring over experienced soviet engineers and their design projects to India to significantly boost Indian industry, the Chineese have done this wonderfully and bought over designs and their corresponding soviet engineers to China to bootstrap Chineese indigenisation.
ReplyDeleteSanku
ReplyDeleteLet me know about you. Engineering is a commercial activity aimed at making money for the Organization. If you can't do that you should not be in Engineering. Years of PSU led engineering has "bureaucratized" the process to the extent it is no longer engineering and no longer making money and most of the problem is at the top. Copying is neither easy nor everyone can do it. One still has to be a good "nuts and bolts" engineer to be able to copy succesfully. It is in the reductinof ( financial) risks of development that copying should be studied.As you said so rightly - it is amindset problem of arrogance and ignorance wheres it should be fun!